"Philosopher and Christian apologist William Lane Craig – in an October 2011 debate with philosopher Stephen Law – claimed that even though animals experience pain, they are not aware of it. This claim was a response to Law's concerns about animal suffering that Law believed, in addition to other concerns regarding human suffering, form “very powerful evidence against the existence of Professor Craig's God.” William Lane Craig recently clarified his position regarding animal pain awareness on his website. Craig's response, though, does not seem to adequately answer the concerns of those who maintain that animal suffering is incompatible with the Christian god."
I didn't bother reading the link, it didn't make sense to begin with. They feel pain, but aren't aware of it. Yep, thats why sometimes something might happen to my dogs, like some idiot (ahem, that would be mean) steps on their feet, and they yelp and then lick the spot if it hurts enough. And why cows will move if someone pokes them with an electric prod... Yeah... Don't think so.
Some humans need to realise that we aren't all that different to other animals...
Maybe by association, dogs have gained insight into our means of metabolising pain...
maybe our whimpers don't reflect the pain itself in it's form.. but the situation and all appended feelings... thus they have been domesticated to feel pain.
also i see what they are saying...
animals are of instinct.. they have this pain but can walk onward with a broken leg.. closely followed by the bee... with a broken wing... crawling up this NOW IMPOSSIBLE and monstrous stem like it were an Everest flower, just to do its purpose... though... no way permits it home... or a plausible event apart from exhaustion.
Or this ant I saw at renmark... it looked to have been stepped on..
I have seen a few...
this is an outback garden style scenario there are myriad species and ants abundant... shovels plowing into the ground tools being put down.. or the nature of things...
they all.. see to sit for a bit... working out their new disfigured body...
they move about.. and then suddenly as if ... pre knowledge.. they move with a few legs not working.. curled up in some unimaginably awkward way..
and move the direction they otherwise would...
I watched this one... changing everything about how its capable legs moved to compensate...
and it was not facing forwards at any such constant... jaggered... progress...
but it got to a crack in the pavement... and sat in the bottom... starting to move some leaves to step up upon... and i watched it get over the lip... it did these pauses that made me comprehensive of the nature of ants.. either their physiological need or... the time for planning.
so it got about 7 feet in this horrible way...
slowly stopping more frequently as it got further into the sun from the balcony shade...
I was un-guiltily enjoying hummus on toast ... watching this like i would be watched as the last human on earth.. in the sense of the struggles I may achieve.... for no recognition but the observation / that it had occurred...not even existing it is merely something that is the possible.
my dad was walking back and forwards... getting one thing or another... pestering my conscious with questions... while I was fixated on this ants whole entire situation... on the last comment.. and walk past me.. he managed to collect it with his foot.. almost like a cat that will destroy your project of attention for their own .... but more in that he went in side and left me be afterwards.
I had been gardening and this was my break.. I don't like being asked questions if that sounded harsh ahha...
but anyway.... this movement within the ether of will or a purpose...
can easily be overseen the place of pain in something which is so far removed from our system.. we express this pain from BIRTH to say a soothe is required...
with out it we would not be able to have awareness of the need for respite and no other linked systems would be enacted..
animals lives like the insect are almost finite... in that.. when damaged... they die...
when you get out of this wild scenario.. you have a cat that lives in a cupboard for a month liking its wound and comes out like it hadn't been hit by a car at all.
something are far pestered into being prey that the pain is irrelevant...
to postulate the awareness of it is not there is a far cry... but to say they have been shielded by God.... is simply depicting god as mother nature...
to which we accept as a 'reasonable concept' unlike god... as it is not a fabled religion.. it is our own ideals... mother nature... who this could be.. i don't know but from experience.. I like the style.. i.e. life.
So...... it isn't as pretentious as it sounds unless like yourself... it makes you cringe by naming said God to begin with...
a true believer of faith.. wouldn't need to affirm the existence of thus
the faith is not holding on
their expression would then be philosophy
as they would talk of what they love and by definition philo sophy is the love of words...
or expressions of this.... so... it is pretty literal...
we aren't talking hieroglyphics... he isn't going to say anything to brash...
so it is really just a boring statement which serves no purpose as if by recognising god... 'he has been shielded by purpose itself'...
sigh...
imagine a pony-jellyfish... would this be an oxymoron? considering the gel... that they don't ... and that they are..
I ask srsly ... what is an idiom as juxtapose to an adage
You taking it as an offence... is clouding your judgement.
He hasn't said they can't feel pain.
Their instantaneous threshold is probably far greater.. to be able to get away from the impeding danger and then heal... we need pain as soon as something happens to determine what it is to tell the first thing we see.. what has happened.
They need to know something has happened to gtfo but not the over whelming pain blocking their ability to get away...
The pain of an animal is evident in a foot trap... they keep trying to walk out of..
maybe gnawing their foot off to do so.
>_< can you gnaw your foot of... with a trap penetrating nerves?
I would say we are less shielded in instances...
well if it pieces and blocked blood supply line.. the foot would probably just drop off... but if it didn't we'd not be able to compare to animal resilience...
GOD
is that which is in question here,
philosophy itself is a question although it reads like a statement...
No personal offense to anyone of any faith, but Craig does make Christian philosophers look even more wacky. And the man sells a William Lane Craig branded PINK BATH ROBE in his online store. Gotta cash in any way you can these days if not enough people buy your books...
