I would like AA members who are aiming at a lifestyle of the vegan type to put it out there as to how they see the world if the animals were freed and unmanaged by humans. Really put some thought into your ideas though.
I don't think anyone who is advocating a vegan world is expecting farmers to throw open their gates and say "off you go!". It just wouldn't happen? It's a favourite "what if" of people arguing against vegetarianism/veganism and they always paint this hilarious post-apocalyptic image of cows "roaming the streets" and humans being overrun by pigs who've turned feral. I don't understand why people can't see this is ridiculous?
If a decline in meat consumption happens (it is, and I believe it will happen further), it will be a slow process, resulting in less animals bred = less animals that have to suffer. Don't worry, I don't think cows hold grudges. Or I hope they don't for a lot of people's sake
I don't think anyone who is advocating a vegan world is expecting farmers to throw open their gates and say "off you go!". It just wouldn't happen? It's a favourite "what if" of people arguing against vegetarianism/veganism and they always paint this hilarious post-apocalyptic image of cows "roaming the streets" and humans being overrun by pigs who've turned feral. I don't understand why people can't see this is ridiculous?
If a decline in meat consumption happens (it is, and I believe it will happen further), it will be a slow process, resulting in less animals bred = less animals that have to suffer. Don't worry, I don't think cows hold grudges. Or I hope they don't for a lot of people's sake
So Kirrily where does that leave any animal that is not a pig, cow, sheep, poultry, dog etc.
No my friend you answer my question. What do you see as the ideal world, what do you want from your fellow humans with regards to animals. You have jumped on anyone who hunts or harvests any type of animal and let me remind you that many of these animals affect farming of your food. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean, I answered the question as I understood it..
My ideal world in regard to animals would be the the non-human animal population regulating itself, which I believe would happen if humans stopped interfering. Did you know that a huge amount of the world's crops (95% of soy crops and 80% of corn crops) are grown to feed livestock? That kind of filtering of nutrients is what is keeping human poverty going. I do care about humans just as much as animals, and I DO believe we can live in harmony with non-human animals, but we have to stop destroying the world first.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean, I answered the question as I understood it..
My ideal world in regard to animals would be the the non-human animal population regulating itself, which I believe would happen if humans stopped interfering. Did you know that a huge amount of the world's crops (95% of soy crops and 80% of corn crops) are grown to feed livestock? That kind of filtering of nutrients is what is keeping human poverty going. I do care about humans just as much as animals, and I DO believe we can live in harmony with non-human animals, but we have to stop destroying the world first.
The non human animal population regulating itself. You have no idea how cruel that would be . There is a reason that the human being is born with a much superior brain than those of the animal kingdom. Mind you we are often too smart for our own good and our brain power is not always put to good use. There is no going back now with regards to what we have done to our world but there is a way forward. I am afraid that you will have to accept that people will always eat meat so why beat your head against a brick wall and try and bully your fellow man into a vegan lifestyle. You do the cause of animals no good at all as you energies are spent on a fruitless journey.
I don't think anyone who is advocating a vegan world is expecting farmers to throw open their gates and say "off you go!". It just wouldn't happen? It's a favourite "what if" of people arguing against vegetarianism/veganism and they always paint this hilarious post-apocalyptic image of cows "roaming the streets" and humans being overrun by pigs who've turned feral. I don't understand why people can't see this is ridiculous?
If a decline in meat consumption happens (it is, and I believe it will happen further), it will be a slow process, resulting in less animals bred = less animals that have to suffer. Don't worry, I don't think cows hold grudges. Or I hope they don't for a lot of people's sake
I agree, this is up there with the "but if you were stuck on a desert island with only a sheep I bet you would eat it" argument.
Frankly IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN THAT WAY. The question is ridiculous and frankly it makes the person asking look stupid. What's the point on even answering the question when it is an implausible situation?
I know it's an ambitious goal Cassie. But what would life be without a dream? I know it's not going to happen in my lifetime but as long as there is animal agriculture I'll fight to make life a little easier for those animals that have to endure it. And I'll persist in spreading the word about cruelty free lifestyles.
Though I don't think I would use the word bully when it comes to how I advocate for animals? I certainly hope no one I've had a conversation with feels bullied. You attract more flies with honey
I don't think anyone who is advocating a vegan world is expecting farmers to throw open their gates and say "off you go!". It just wouldn't happen? It's a favourite "what if" of people arguing against vegetarianism/veganism and they always paint this hilarious post-apocalyptic image of cows "roaming the streets" and humans being overrun by pigs who've turned feral. I don't understand why people can't see this is ridiculous?
If a decline in meat consumption happens (it is, and I believe it will happen further), it will be a slow process, resulting in less animals bred = less animals that have to suffer. Don't worry, I don't think cows hold grudges. Or I hope they don't for a lot of people's sake
I agree, this is up there with the "but if you were stuck on a desert island with only a sheep I bet you would eat it" argument.
Frankly IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN THAT WAY. The question is ridiculous and frankly it makes the person asking look stupid. What's the point on even answering the question when it is an implausible situation?
I am only asking what you would like to see happen Catyren, that is all. If you have trouble answering my question then that is ok. There is no pass or fail with the question. It will not have bearing on your future employment or any such thing....
I'm not entirely sure what you mean, I answered the question as I understood it..
My ideal world in regard to animals would be the the non-human animal population regulating itself, which I believe would happen if humans stopped interfering. Did you know that a huge amount of the world's crops (95% of soy crops and 80% of corn crops) are grown to feed livestock? That kind of filtering of nutrients is what is keeping human poverty going. I do care about humans just as much as animals, and I DO believe we can live in harmony with non-human animals, but we have to stop destroying the world first.
The non human animal population regulating itself. You have no idea how cruel that would be . There is a reason that the human being is born with a much superior brain than those of the animal kingdom. Mind you we are often too smart for our own good and our brain power is not always put to good use. There is no going back now with regards to what we have done to our world but there is a way forward. I am afraid that you will have to accept that people will always eat meat so why beat your head against a brick wall and try and bully your fellow man into a vegan lifestyle. You do the cause of animals no good at all as you energies are spent on a fruitless journey.
Nature is cruel, but it's the way things are MEANT TO BE. Humans interfering is what has caused all the problems. Natural populations should regulate themselves because that's how the world works best. If Australia had never been industrialised and farmed we would have no population issues with kangaroos right now. Yeah it's awful to think of animals starving when their population gets too big but that's just life, their predators pick them off as well and then their population returns to what it should be.
I don't think anyone who is advocating a vegan world is expecting farmers to throw open their gates and say "off you go!". It just wouldn't happen? It's a favourite "what if" of people arguing against vegetarianism/veganism and they always paint this hilarious post-apocalyptic image of cows "roaming the streets" and humans being overrun by pigs who've turned feral. I don't understand why people can't see this is ridiculous?
If a decline in meat consumption happens (it is, and I believe it will happen further), it will be a slow process, resulting in less animals bred = less animals that have to suffer. Don't worry, I don't think cows hold grudges. Or I hope they don't for a lot of people's sake
I agree, this is up there with the "but if you were stuck on a desert island with only a sheep I bet you would eat it" argument.
Frankly IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN THAT WAY. The question is ridiculous and frankly it makes the person asking look stupid. What's the point on even answering the question when it is an implausible situation?
I am only asking what you would like to see happen Catyren, that is all. If you have trouble answering my question then that is ok. There is no pass or fail with the question. It will not have bearing on your future employment or any such thing....
I would like to see the industries dwindle into non-existence because of lack of demand. Which, if it happens, is how it WOULD happen. In an ideal world I would like factory farming to never have been invented in the first place but it's too late for that so what is the point in even discussing it?
