If all the animals were freed/unmanaged by humans what then....

A beef farmer. Interesting. You care about money not the animals.

How ridiculous! LOL was going to write some things but I think I'll let it go, thanks to those beautiful people who did comment   The doco "eating" based on US stuff is super and the animals do get their revenge!!! it's just so sad they have to go through what they do in the first place. 1 + 1 = 2 and plus 100,000 other 1's equals enough people to make a difference! Don't ever let anyone tell you that you are only one person and that we can't change things, we already are . And good luck to you Cassie you take care now won't you!  love to those who have pure love for all, have a nice cruelty free weekend friends xoxo

Vegan Lisa I appreciate what you have to say.  It is most obvious that I am on different page to AA when it comes to animal welfare.  I do not pretend to be anything other than a meat eating, beef producing person who has a genuine interest in animal welfare.
I think it is paramount that AA changes it's mission statement and declares that it is group for vegetarians, vegans or those planning to make that lifestyle change.  It is certainly not a forum for the likes of me.  It is disappointing that there are never any logical questions asked of omnis on the forum.  I realize that there are perhaps only one or two though.  
I have a friend who is a meateater with no plans to become otherwise.  She unfortunately donated quite a substantial amount of money to AA.  I asked her if she had ever visited this forum and no she hadn't.  She has now, needless to say she is appalled at the verballing given to anyone who dares to question you fellows.  No more of her hard earned dollars going your way.  
You need to sort out your acceptances of memberships as I should think that anyone who is a meat eater should have their membership application soundly rejected.  Really what have we got to say to each other, it is very much a case of 'them and us'.  Not a true forum or balanced one at all.  Anyways I have had my say.  I will now resist the temptation to question you on any subject.  I have a serious amount of stockwork to do for the next few weeks so won't be worrying you too much.  I also plan on a cruelty free weekend just as I plan a cruelty free day every day of my life.  For today I have to tend a very sick calf suffering from 3 Day Sickness and in case you ask 'no he is not going to end up on my plate, he is earmarked as a sire of cattle who could very well end up on my plate though'.  Good day to you and keep on keeping on.

Animals Australia is about animal welfare, not elitism. Strange that there have been several omnivores that frequented the forums that people have got on with well enough. The people that don't get along with the majority of the forum are usually the belligerent, narrow minded or the trolls, doesn't matter if they're vegan or omni. Perhaps you should take a look back at your posts and ask yourself whether there is a possibility you might have something to do with people not getting on with you well.

^^ This. I have nothing against meat eaters, nor do I look down on them: even if I look down on their decisions. I myself have only come back to vegetarianism. But all of my friends and family eat meat, and quite honestly don't care or give any thought to animals. It is not because you're a omnivore that many people reacted unpleasantly. It was the ignorant, narrow-minded and rude manner you conducted yourself in.

Hello Cassie4,

Please be respectful of our community members who have taken the time to share their ideas with you and respond to your thread. Please also be mindful that this is a public form; posts made here are the thoughts and opinions of the individual posters - not official position of Animals Australia. If you believe someone has unfairly targeted you with language that is offensive please feel free to 'report' that post to our moderators so that we can resolve any issues quickly, rather than vent publicly which may escalate agression and steer the forum off topic.

As I have taken the time to explain in detail to you last year when you first joined this forum (see quoted post below), Animals Australia is an animal protection organisation. We exist to further the interests of animals -- not vegans or vegetarians (although being vegan or vegetarian is obviously one way many people choose to significantly help animals in their day to day life). In the same way that we welcome your respectful opinion, we request that you remain respectful of the opinions of our community members -- even if they differ from your own.

Below is a refresher in case you have forgotten our conversation back in November. As an administrator of this website I would like to ask you again to remain respectful of the differences of opinions that exist on this forum and understand that we are all here for the same reason -- to help animals. We are not interested in creating divides, as I have explained below.

If you have a genuine interest in animal welfare, I invite you to put your energy to good use and help us on campaigns that you are passionate about -- companion animal overpopulation? marine animal conservation? animal experimentation? the slaughter of animals for fur? If you are concerned about any of these - or numerous other issues  (just watch www.unleashed.org.au/features/earthlings for more ideas) - then I'm sure you will find common ground here among a community of motivated and compassionate people working together to help animals.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS:

We all have much work to do, and the animals cannot afford for us to waste our time creating divides and arguing about our differences. This relates to house rule #6 (www.unleashed.org.au/community/forum/topic.php?t=17) which I ask you to respect if you wish to continue posting here, thanks.

Karen.

Okay, I'm going to ignore all the drama and tetchiness in this thread and just answer the original question as best I can (but first, I agree with Ronnie in his suggestion that you read the China Study. Very informative and actually what inspired me to study what I'm studying at university).



Yeah, maybe the idea of a vegan world seems impossible to you, Cassie. I can see how it would. It's unlikely we'll ever achieve that, but not impossible. Remember that not so long ago the same was thought about a woman working and voting, or a person from any origin that wasn't anglo-saxon having equal rights to Caucasians. Look at us now. We progressed, and the impossible is now reality. It's a beautiful thing, right?


Should this hypothetical vegan world eventuate, it will not happen overnight. It probably won't even happen over five years. It will probably be the result of a very gradual decrease in the consumption of animal products (food or otherwise. Fur coats are still consumption), and probably be the end result of a many decades long shift in human lifestyle. Thus, these domesticated food animals (cows, pigs, sheep, chickens, etc. as we know them) will gradually decrease in number. Supply always meets demand, so as demand gradually decreases, so will supply. Land used to grow feed for animals will now feed up to 20 times the number of people.



[[I should point out that the two largest feed-the-hungry programs in the world are vegetarian. Not for ethics, but because it feeds many, many more people.]]


The same gradual process applies to the nonhuman animal population regulating itself. Any harm done to the animal population and their various corresponding ecosystems was inflicted by humans, and while I feel we ought to continue working to save those we have endangered but not yet lost, I feel that we can gradually phase out human interference over a period of time. Ecosystems are not dependent on human influence.

Finally, I do not try to push my lifestyle on others, I do not try to force veganism on others. In fact, more often than not, it's meat eaters who try and inflict their diets and lifestyles on me. I am in a long term, committed, happy relationship with a wonderful man who I have no accepted will probably always eat meat. But my lifestyle is one he respects, and through talking to me he has even improved his health. He eats less McDonalds and more salad, and that is enough to make me happy.

Rather than be pushy or demanding, I find that I cook vegan food for my friends, I answer any questions they have, and discuss nutrition with them. Through example I have encouraged people to cut down on meat or go vegetarian. I have never convinced someone by trying to force it on them.


I know this is a long post, but if you took the time to read it all, thank you. I hope I answered your question. Finally, I'd like to reiterate that while this is a very an unlikely scenario, it's not impossible, and even if we never achieve 100% what we want, the ultimate goal is simply positive change, and a lessening of cruelty.

Here I was thinking it was millions of years of evolution, silly me. It's solely because all those stupid animals can't look after themselves.

Why should Animal Australia put out some bizarre world vegan plan? I don't think anyone from AA is under the impression that the whole world is about to go vegan any day now and if we don't urgently make a plan the world as we know it will end. I think they're a little more pragmatic than that. But if you're such a big grown up that you feel the need to ask these questions just to annoy people or something good for you I suppose.