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Is it morally correct to have your own children?

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Beemo Beemo United States Posts: 1259
41 5 Mar 2012
TheSixthStitch said:
Before you commit yourselves and jump into the deep end...

Why is the world 'overpopulating'? Are there groups/cultures/nations responsible for, or contributing to, overpopulation? How do we know?

Is not having children of your own going to have an affect on overall population numbers? Will adopting make a difference? What are the potential consequences that can arise from adoption?

Why is not having children and/or adopting the right approach? If this is a global problem, what is the likelihood that people around the world would adopt the same approach? (no pun intended)

Do you realise what you'd be giving up? Why is choosing to have a child of your own selfish? What does this say about the world?
I don't think having your own children is selfish, as long as you are doing it for good moral reasons.

I think overpopulation in more wealthy countries such as Australia has a lot to do with the introduction of vaccinations, a plentiful supply of fresh food and clean water, medical advancements and easier access to medical treatment which is resulting in a longer life expectancy.
In developing nations I would say it has a lot to do with lack of availability to birth control, higher child mortality rates (parents have more kids as they expect some of them may die), and because larger families means there is more hands to help out with labor, working on farms etc.

In Australia I don't think we have to worry about overpopulation too much at this point in time, but it is something that we should start to think about.
Of course not having children will make an impact on the population if enough people do it, just as China's one child policy has been successful in reducing their population.
I think if we ever had to take action on our population in Australia then the best way to go about it would be to adopt something similar to China's one child policy. People still get to experience giving birth, have their own biological child and can raise them as they wish.

I can't talk from experience, but I would say the love and dependence you receive from a child would make you feel loved and wanted regardless of whether they are adopted or your own birth child.
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4_da_animals1 4_da_animals1 SA Posts: 3293
43 5 Mar 2012
Here's a thought
You think it's that hard to adopt a child in today's society as a straight couple, what about a gay couple?
I don't know personally whether I want to have children for myself when I'm older, but I would certainly consider being a surrogate for some of my male gay friends, and wouldn't mind a similar offer if I wanted to have a child and had a female partner at the time.
Opinions?
It's interesting that alot of you want to immediatly adopt, but what if you accidently got pregnant? Would you abort? I'm not saying abortion is wrong, I'm pro-choice, but personally, it feels almost selfish when there are so many couples out there that can't have kids, hetro and homosexual.
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4_da_animals1 4_da_animals1 SA Posts: 3293
44 5 Mar 2012
Abbiesaurus said:
TheSixthStitch said:
Before you commit yourselves and jump into the deep end...

Why is the world 'overpopulating'? Are there groups/cultures/nations responsible for, or contributing to, overpopulation? How do we know?

Is not having children of your own going to have an affect on overall population numbers? Will adopting make a difference? What are the potential consequences that can arise from adoption?

Why is not having children and/or adopting the right approach? If this is a global problem, what is the likelihood that people around the world would adopt the same approach? (no pun intended)

Do you realise what you'd be giving up? Why is choosing to have a child of your own selfish? What does this say about the world?
I don't think having your own children is selfish, as long as you are doing it for good moral reasons.

I think overpopulation in more wealthy countries such as Australia has a lot to do with the introduction of vaccinations, a plentiful supply of fresh food and clean water, medical advancements and easier access to medical treatment which is resulting in a longer life expectancy.
In developing nations I would say it has a lot to do with lack of availability to birth control, higher child mortality rates (parents have more kids as they expect some of them may die), and because larger families means there is more hands to help out with labor, working on farms etc.

In Australia I don't think we have to worry about overpopulation too much at this point in time, but it is something that we should start to think about.
Of course not having children will make an impact on the population if enough people do it, just as China's one child policy has been successful in reducing their population.
I think if we ever had to take action on our population in Australia then the best way to go about it would be to adopt something similar to China's one child policy. People still get to experience giving birth, have their own biological child and can raise them as they wish.

I can't talk from experience, but I would say the love and dependence you receive from a child would make you feel loved and wanted regardless of whether they are adopted or your own birth child.
But how do you police that kind of thing? Order sterilisation after one child?
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xMISSMONSTERx xMISSMONSTERx WA Posts: 2582
45 5 Mar 2012
4_da_animals1 said:
Abbiesaurus said:
TheSixthStitch said:
Before you commit yourselves and jump into the deep end...

Why is the world 'overpopulating'? Are there groups/cultures/nations responsible for, or contributing to, overpopulation? How do we know?

Is not having children of your own going to have an affect on overall population numbers? Will adopting make a difference? What are the potential consequences that can arise from adoption?

Why is not having children and/or adopting the right approach? If this is a global problem, what is the likelihood that people around the world would adopt the same approach? (no pun intended)

Do you realise what you'd be giving up? Why is choosing to have a child of your own selfish? What does this say about the world?
I don't think having your own children is selfish, as long as you are doing it for good moral reasons.

I think overpopulation in more wealthy countries such as Australia has a lot to do with the introduction of vaccinations, a plentiful supply of fresh food and clean water, medical advancements and easier access to medical treatment which is resulting in a longer life expectancy.
In developing nations I would say it has a lot to do with lack of availability to birth control, higher child mortality rates (parents have more kids as they expect some of them may die), and because larger families means there is more hands to help out with labor, working on farms etc.

In Australia I don't think we have to worry about overpopulation too much at this point in time, but it is something that we should start to think about.
Of course not having children will make an impact on the population if enough people do it, just as China's one child policy has been successful in reducing their population.
I think if we ever had to take action on our population in Australia then the best way to go about it would be to adopt something similar to China's one child policy. People still get to experience giving birth, have their own biological child and can raise them as they wish.

I can't talk from experience, but I would say the love and dependence you receive from a child would make you feel loved and wanted regardless of whether they are adopted or your own birth child.
But how do you police that kind of thing? Order sterilisation after one child?
They police it in china with forced abortions.
You'll find that most of the smaller 'rural' areas in china couples are allowed to have more than one child if their local authority is okay with it, and if you have twins you aren't forced to pick which one you keep.

As with any rule, there's ways to bend it.
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Beemo Beemo United States Posts: 1259
46 5 Mar 2012
4_da_animals1 said:
But how do you police that kind of thing? Order sterilisation after one child?
Yeah it's a bit of a touchy topic in that retrospect. In China if they have more than one birth I believe they can either be ordered to pay a fine, have mandatory sterilisation and sometimes even a forced abortion.
I don't really agree with the last two options as it's your body and nobody should have the right to do either of those things without your consent.
In my opinion I think a fine would probably be the best punishment, it may not be as effective but it will still get the message across.
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Beemo Beemo United States Posts: 1259
47 5 Mar 2012
xMISSMONSTERx said:
They police it in china with forced abortions.
You'll find that most of the smaller 'rural' areas in china couples are allowed to have more than one child if their local authority is okay with it, and if you have twins you aren't forced to pick which one you keep.

As with any rule, there's ways to bend it.
Yeah I was reading that in China if you have twins with your first birth than they will let you keep both of them.
I was also reading that the rate of people having twins, triplets etc. has also significantly increased as people have been taking fertility drugs to increase their chances of having a multiple birth.
There's no way really around this, unless they were to start aborting multiple births...which would certainly not be a popular or a humane move.
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RaV3N RaV3N WA Posts: 2152
48 5 Mar 2012
4_da_animals1 said:
I don't know personally whether I want to have children for myself when I'm older, but I would certainly consider being a surrogate for some of my male gay friends, and wouldn't mind a similar offer if I wanted to have a child and had a female partner at the time.
Opinions?
I believe this is illegal in Australia.... I have NO idea why. I can see the legal reasons behind it, but the moral reasons should out weigh them.
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Kacey Michelle Kacey Michelle NSW Posts: 92
49 6 Mar 2012
4_da_animals1 said:
Here's a thought
You think it's that hard to adopt a child in today's society as a straight couple, what about a gay couple?
I don't know personally whether I want to have children for myself when I'm older, but I would certainly consider being a surrogate for some of my male gay friends, and wouldn't mind a similar offer if I wanted to have a child and had a female partner at the time.
Opinions?
It's interesting that alot of you want to immediatly adopt, but what if you accidently got pregnant? Would you abort? I'm not saying abortion is wrong, I'm pro-choice, but personally, it feels almost selfish when there are so many couples out there that can't have kids, hetro and homosexual.
If I was ready for a child I wouldn't abort just because I believe adoption to perhaps be a better contribution to society. But of course, in the circumstance I wasn't ready or planning to have a child: I most likely would.

And yes: I think a big problem is making the adoption process so difficult, lengthy and complex but at the same time: it's hard to find a good balance so that more people can adopt, and a way that still keeps kid from ending up in bad hands. Tricky issues. :L
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4_da_animals1 4_da_animals1 SA Posts: 3293
50 6 Mar 2012
RaV3N said:
4_da_animals1 said:
I don't know personally whether I want to have children for myself when I'm older, but I would certainly consider being a surrogate for some of my male gay friends, and wouldn't mind a similar offer if I wanted to have a child and had a female partner at the time.
Opinions?
I believe this is illegal in Australia.... I have NO idea why. I can see the legal reasons behind it, but the moral reasons should out weigh them.
Seriously?
I lose more and more respect for Australia everyday.
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