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Velouria VIC • Posts: 107

11 17 May 2013

My argument personally isn't about hunting here, it's why is it considered appropriate entertainment?

The episode I saw show cased that some trophy hunting is involved, which the producer in his defence did admit to but I don't think that they should be encourage it on the program it self. The hunters clearly stated how impressed they were with the size of the horns on the stags and that they were tagging this particular one for a while and thrilled to have finally killed it. Why, one thinks? Perhaps because of the great set of horns?

I do agree with you however if done correctly it's probably a cleaner and poses less stress on the animal in comparison to factory farmed animals, but that's not my point, why make a tv production out of it?

You say, so others can learn how to do it properly? Well then we should have more driving shows on tv in that case don't you think, so people could learn how to do it properly? Gawd knows, more people are dying on our roads, why not make a program about that?

Sorry, but I don't buy into your argument so people can learn how to do it properly, that could be said about a lot of things in that case.

Velouria VIC • Posts: 107

12 18 May 2013

And how could promoting gun use which this show does at the end of the day be of any benefit anyway? Llook at the mess the USA is in.

I'm sure you're a responsible firearm owner, but who's to say everyone else is? peace

Red NSW • Posts: 23

13 22 May 2013

Wow some of that Scenery is just amazing! I think I will watch it for that alone to be honest. I can see why they do what they do, some think that hunting is cruel or unnecessary, I see it as necessary in the sense that if these animals aren't controlled (ie numbers kept to a more sustainable level then the fragile ecology that these animals often exist in can be under serious threat/strain.

A lot of these "Pest Species" for what of a better word often carry and spread diseases that can then be spread to other no invasive species like livestock, which in turn can cause problems, not only to the farmers livelihoods but can also result in those infected animals being euthanized.

And I'm in no way ever going to support the use of poisons in the control of these invasive pest species, that's just flat out cruel, not only do the animals suffer a horrendous and hideous death as a result of ingesting these hideous poisons it often takes out animals that aren't targeted, that's the reasons I see hunting as a legitimate way of dealing with this very complex problem.

Thank you for reading.

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Red NSW • Posts: 23

14 22 May 2013

Velouria said:

You could also say that about cat owners, dog owners, parents, people who drive cars etc etc, and as for comparing our country to the USA well that's just stupid and to be honest is showing your complete lack of understanding on the subject of firearms ownership and use in our country.

If you really want to see irresponsible shows have a look at all those vet and pet type shows that promote the ownership of animals as being a good idea, then just have a look at all those animals that are handed in each year to shelters or let go in the bush by irresponsible pet owners once though was warm and cuddly until the novelty wore off, then when you realise all the damage those once loved pets do to our native wildlife and ecology you soon realise that something has to be done to help control the damage that these irresponsible pet owners have caused.

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Velouria VIC • Posts: 107

15 22 May 2013

I guess you fail to understand my point is why have a show about it?

Cheers, for bringing it up to the top of the forum though, hopefully Channel 31 will get some more replies. clap

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Red NSW • Posts: 23

16 22 May 2013

Velouria said:

I guess you fail to understand my point is why have a show about it?

Cheers, for bringing it up to the top of the forum though, hopefully Channel 31 will get some more replies. clap

Help me understand then please.

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David11 QLD • Posts: 1

17 23 May 2013

Do you like gardening? Do you watch gardening shows?

I don't like gardening therefore when one comes on the tv I change the channel which is what you should do.

I watch this show because I like hunting.

If it was up to the hippy tree huggers this country would be over run with wild animals, many of whom would be dying of starvation because our natural habitat can only support a certain number, or our farmers have their crops wiped out which would leave all the hippies without carrots to chew on, how do we fix this? We either let people hunt (responsibly) or we have to have a mass cull of thousands of animals.

Have a think before you open your mouth next time.

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Velouria VIC • Posts: 107

18 23 May 2013

David, if I don’t like a tv show I have the right not to just turn the channel or turn off but voice my opinion and make a complaint if I don't deem it appropriate just as you do. If you're offended by tulips or shrubbery I encourage you whole heartedly to take it further, really! "Beyond the Divide" showcases the killing of animals and hunting as a legitimate sport which does not classify as entertainment in my eyes and I can voice that opinion on here and anywhere I like, it's called freedom of speech, familiar with it?

Also you needn't bother with your little rant about how hunting is great, that's not the argument, it's not about if you're pro or against. Would be fascinated to know your views about live animal export though?

Name calling is quite immature now really don't you think? Though I must plead guilty in calling the two blokes that I saw on the show a couple of bogans in the email I sent the producer earlier in the thread, but their actions and statements gave me the impression that they were. Handling the stag like it was dead puppet and carrying on about the size of it's horns, really now.

Glad to see you joined the forum though, just recently as well, that was wonderful timing I must admit (I might be being facetious here).

Yet again I thank you as well David for drawing light on this horrible, horrible show, your participation is applauded and commended.

Because you have come into this discussion guns a blazing (ironic that) and quite rude you left me no choice but to take this response with you. Surely, couldn't you come up with something a bit more imaginative than calling people who care your quintessential tree hugging hippy?

I'm sure you'll come back with some retort David and I encourage that not only for discussion's sake but so more people can be aware, thank you! happy

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Red NSW • Posts: 23

19 23 May 2013

Rob_S said:

Hi All,

I'm probably not your preferred type of person on this forum, I hunt and I eat meat.

But I only hunt to supply food to my table and for the purpose of eradicating vermin species within the Australian environment.

You may say that there is no need for me to hunt in this modern Australian Society, but I would like to propose the following answer to that line of thought. I eat meat and I'm not about to stop, so what is a better situation for the supply of that meat to my table?

1. farmed stock that is slaughtered in an meatworks where the animal is stressed beyond all belief by what's going on around it in the lead up to its death.

2. An animal grazing in the bush without a hint of an idea that I'm close by, the next second its dead. no stress, no panic in its last moments.

I don't agree with killing for pleasure, I will always try to bring down the intended target with one clean shot.

I have watched the show being spoken about here, and I will continue to watch this program as its trying to get people to hunt in a responsible manner, taking only what is needed for food or what needs to be removed from the environment for conservation needs. (pigs, goats, foxes, rabbits, donkeys, camels, hares, deer, and a whole list of other introduces species that are either destroying the environment of our native fauna or are competing with our native fauna for the space to live.)

You may not agree with hunting, and that's your right. But it's just as much my right to hunt and to live in a manner that I believe is supporting a better balanced Australian habitat, while delivering food to my table that is not the result of some farm bread animal that spent its last hour petrified of what was going on around it before it had its throat cut.

I applaud the producer and the team for trying to educate people about the right way to hunt, with respect for the animals and always at the forefront of each desicion to kill is the ability to take the animal cleanly.

One poster commented that it takes more skill with a bow than a rifle. different horses for different courses, a bow will seldom kill as quickly or cleanly as a rifle shot, with a bow the chance of injuring an animal without killing it is much higher. A bow tip simply cuts the flesh you are relying on a quick bleed out to bring the animal down. whereas the rifle bullet not only cuts the flesh and opens up vital organs resulting in the same blood loss it also has a hydrostatic shock wave that will destroy vital organs such as the heart and lungs, so should a shot be misplaced the resultant death of the animal is a lot faster than that of an animal injured by an arrow.

anyway these are just some thoughts from a different angle to one being taken by most of the previous posts. thanks for your time,

regards Rob.

+1 mate, I hunt for the same sort of reasons as you, only time I don't is when I have to eradicate pests, then I try and utilise them for either food for working dogs or skins or both.

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Velouria VIC • Posts: 107

20 23 May 2013

David11 said:

Have a think before you open your mouth next time.

Oh David I always do by the way, I would recommend you make sure you read and understand the topic at hand and my point, before getting defensive and writing some ridiculous dribble (tree hugger, carrot eating, laugh