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Are there any dairy brands that don't kill calfs?

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Showbags Showbags QLD Posts: 162
11 22 Sep 2013
Kaysiefantasie said:
I appreciate that many passionate animal lovers will only settle for nothing short of veganism, but in reality this is not possible.  Many people simply will not give up their dairy diet (I'm a lacto vegetarian), and taking extreme stances and enforcing an opinion can sometimes alienate people. Coercion through education is what is required. Sometimes it takes steps for awareness to take hold until someone is ready to make an extreme decision.  Even then, many good people will make ethical choices but perhaps not extreme ones. This is still preferred and should be encouraged.    

Dairies that support the best humane practices should be encouraged.  If they do well then it is possible for them to increasingly adopt more humane practices.  Let’s face it, such transitions are expensive and I would rather not lose these types of farmers to an economic failing.  These farmers need to be supported so that they can build their farms and increasingly put their ethical philosophies into practice so as to replace the current inhumane industry and so become the benchmark.  

Ok, so…some dairy farmers have ethical and humane practices, some more than others. Some uphold good bobby calf practices and some are even slaughter-free. The Hare Krishna farm and Barambah dairy, both near the NSW/WQLD border are slaughter-free dairies. See this link for info on Barambah:

http://www.barambahorganics.com.au/barambah-difference/the-farm.aspx

While it is not possible for some dairies to adopt a slaughter-free philosophy, they should be applauded and supported for providing humane practices. Elgar is one such dairy.  See this link for info on them:

http://www.ethical.org.au/blog/elgaar-farms-responds-on-bobby-calves/

K

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Whether people give up dairy or not that does not change the fact that the message should always not change and should be the abstinence of use of all animal products.

People may think Veganism is "extreme" but that doesn't mean the message is not still fundamentally right from a moral point of view. People probably thought of women's rights campaigners as extreme, or anti-slavery abolitionists as extreme. Mark Twain once said "If you find yourself on the side of the majority, it might be time to pause and reflect".
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Ariadne Ariadne SA Posts: 148
12 22 Sep 2013
Butterfree said:
Unfortunately, I was unable to keep up my veganism (Please don't judge me! Dhappy Im still vegetarian though.
Anywho, I need the most animal friendly dairy brand to buy from, could someone please tell me who to buy from and who to avoid?

Thank u in advance! Xx
Could you tell us a bit more about why you decided to go back to drinking cows milk? If it was because you had a bad reaction to or developed a particular dislike of one of the more common brands of non-dairy drinks, please keep trying! happy There are millions of flavours and brands of soy, almond, oat, quinoa and rice milks. It's worth experimenting with a few different brands or even trying to make your own.
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lucidity lucidity SA Posts: 54
13 22 Sep 2013
Kaysiefantasie said:
I appreciate that many passionate animal lovers will only settle for nothing short of veganism, but in reality this is not possible.  Many people simply will not give up their dairy diet (I'm a lacto vegetarian), and taking extreme stances and enforcing an opinion can sometimes alienate people. Coercion through education is what is required. Sometimes it takes steps for awareness to take hold until someone is ready to make an extreme decision.  Even then, many good people will make ethical choices but perhaps not extreme ones. This is still preferred and should be encouraged.    

Dairies that support the best humane practices should be encouraged.  If they do well then it is possible for them to increasingly adopt more humane practices.  Let’s face it, such transitions are expensive and I would rather not lose these types of farmers to an economic failing.  These farmers need to be supported so that they can build their farms and increasingly put their ethical philosophies into practice so as to replace the current inhumane industry and so become the benchmark.  

Ok, so…some dairy farmers have ethical and humane practices, some more than others. Some uphold good bobby calf practices and some are even slaughter-free. The Hare Krishna farm and Barambah dairy, both near the NSW/WQLD border are slaughter-free dairies. See this link for info on Barambah:

http://www.barambahorganics.com.au/barambah-difference/the-farm.aspx

While it is not possible for some dairies to adopt a slaughter-free philosophy, they should be applauded and supported for providing humane practices. Elgar is one such dairy.  See this link for info on them:

http://www.ethical.org.au/blog/elgaar-farms-responds-on-bobby-calves/

K

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i really don't understand why you keep referring to veganism as 'extreme'
when it is the least extreme way of living, compared to eating the flesh of animals and drinking the breast milk of another species.

vegetarianism is good as a transition period, but we should not be supporting the myths of "humane" meat or dairy, because they just do not exist. and we especially should not be drinking dairy just to support the farmers who exploit these animals in the first place.

there is nothing humane about forcibly impregnating a cow, so we can steal the milk that is intended for her baby. it's perverted and wrong. even if all the cows live happily ever after (which they don't) it's fundamentally wrong to use the body of another being and take things from them (same goes with eggs and honey). all mammals wean off of their mothers milk when they are babies, just as we did. the last time you drink from your own mothers breast is the last time you should ever be drinking milk, period.
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BFV BFV SA Posts: 138
14 22 Sep 2013
Kaysiefantasie said:
I appreciate that many passionate animal lovers will only settle for nothing short of veganism, but in reality this is not possible.  Many people simply will not give up their dairy diet (I'm a lacto vegetarian), and taking extreme stances and enforcing an opinion can sometimes alienate people. Coercion through education is what is required. Sometimes it takes steps for awareness to take hold until someone is ready to make an extreme decision.  Even then, many good people will make ethical choices but perhaps not extreme ones. This is still preferred and should be encouraged.    

Dairies that support the best humane practices should be encouraged.  If they do well then it is possible for them to increasingly adopt more humane practices.  Let’s face it, such transitions are expensive and I would rather not lose these types of farmers to an economic failing.  These farmers need to be supported so that they can build their farms and increasingly put their ethical philosophies into practice so as to replace the current inhumane industry and so become the benchmark.  

Ok, so…some dairy farmers have ethical and humane practices, some more than others. Some uphold good bobby calf practices and some are even slaughter-free. The Hare Krishna farm and Barambah dairy, both near the NSW/WQLD border are slaughter-free dairies. See this link for info on Barambah:

http://www.barambahorganics.com.au/barambah-difference/the-farm.aspx

While it is not possible for some dairies to adopt a slaughter-free philosophy, they should be applauded and supported for providing humane practices. Elgar is one such dairy.  See this link for info on them:

http://www.ethical.org.au/blog/elgaar-farms-responds-on-bobby-calves/

K

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I don't think 'extreme' is a fair term to use when describing veganism.
The terms 'extremists' and even 'terrorists' are often used to describe animal activists by animal industries and governments as a fear-mongering tactic, in an attempt to stigmatise the movement and discourage people from opening their eyes to the violence and injustices that keeps these industries alive.

I would say enslavement, confinement, body mutilation, rape, and murder are much more 'extreme' than choosing to eat a healthy, plant-based diet.
Luckily for the industries, those terms seem to be used exclusively when humans are on the receiving end - we use different words to describe the same acts when it is being done to an animal, so it is easy to disconnect the two.

The definition of 'humane' will differ depending on who you're talking to.
Most farms will have a different idea about what constitutes humane treatment of animals than the consumers trying to do the right thing by buying their products. Have you seen the recent exposé of an RSPCA approved pig farm? http://freerangefraud.com/
In your opinion, would the 'humane' treatment of cows still be considered humane if it were humans being treated in the exact same way? How about if it were our pet dogs or cats? Why do cows not get the same consideration when they are equally sentient, and value their comfort, freedom, socialisation and family bonds as much as the animals we love?

I am not having a go at milk drinkers, but I hate the term 'extreme' being thrown around when describing any choice that sits outside of what is 'normal' for the majority. I'd like to know exactly what is extreme about removing milk from one's diet?
As others have said, there is nothing normal about a mammal drinking milk past infancy, let alone the milk of another species, so drinking milk could be considered 'extreme' on those grounds alone.


Edit: I just saw lucidity posted pretty much the same point while I was writing that... Sorry for repeating!
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tiedyedtofu tiedyedtofu NSW Posts: 221
15 22 Sep 2013
I was just wondering, what are some calcium (and other things that you get out of milk) alternatives? Mum won't let me be vegan but the least I can do is drink soy and eat dairy free as much as I can.
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lucidity lucidity SA Posts: 54
16 22 Sep 2013
4_animals said:
I was just wondering, what are some calcium (and other things that you get out of milk) alternatives? Mum won't let me be vegan but the least I can do is drink soy and eat dairy free as much as I can.
http://www.care2.com/greenliving/25-vegan-sources-for-calcium.html
happy here are heaps of other sources. most (if not all) soy milk has calcium in it as well, and some have omega 3 and iron added as well. plus animal protein actually acidifies your body. this means your body must try to neutralise this, by pulling calcium out of your bones, which you then pee out. so cows milk is the worst source of calcium there is!
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BFV BFV SA Posts: 138
17 22 Sep 2013
4_animals said:
I was just wondering, what are some calcium (and other things that you get out of milk) alternatives? Mum won't let me be vegan but the least I can do is drink soy and eat dairy free as much as I can.
Good on you!
This website has a few extra tips too, eg. vitamin D (sunlight) helps with calcium absorption, and salt (sodium) causes calcium loss:
http://www.vegansociety.com/lifestyle/nutrition/calcium.aspx
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tiedyedtofu tiedyedtofu NSW Posts: 221
18 22 Sep 2013
Thank you so much!! I will definitely see if I can get my hands on some collard greens happy
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BFV BFV SA Posts: 138
19 22 Sep 2013
4_animals said:
Thank you so much!! I will definitely see if I can get my hands on some collard greens happy
I think collard greens are hard to come by in Australia (or maybe they're called something different here?) I would look for kale, pak choi/bok choy, broccoli, green beans, etc. instead.
Almonds are also good. happy
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Kaysiefantasie Kaysiefantasie VIC Posts: 3
20 22 Sep 2013
Hi Ron

I know Elgaars Dairy isn’t as ideal as say Barambah (and I did say something to that effect), but I included them in line with the philosophy of supporting dairies who are instigating some level of ethical practice.  Most dairies remove calves immediately (literally) or within 3-4 days which causes great stress for the mothers.  The farms that do this, in some cases, also do not ‘waste” feed on these bobby calves when they send them to the abattoir. In some cases the calves are considered as waste themselves, and are knocked on the head and disposed of immediately on the farm.  Elgaar’s, at least keep the calves for 2-4 months with the mothers. They also have other practices which are leaning towards a more ethical dairy such as using non-animal rennet in their cheeses and keeping retired cows.  As I stated in my post, while some dairies are not at the ideal stage, we should support them so that they can remain financial and implement further more humane practices. While they may not be at an ideal level of humane production, they are a) in a mid-level ethical operation which is open to more humane implementation and b) owned and managed by more open minded farmers willing to listen and act on the concerns of the humane farming lobby.

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