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Are there any dairy brands that don't kill calfs?

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Helenok Helenok VIC Posts: 1
41 21 Aug 2016
Please check this out
http://www.bdfarmpariscreek.com.au/
Not perfect but better than the rest Broccoli
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robert99 robert99 Sweden Posts: 1360
42 22 Aug 2016
http://www.bdfarmpariscreek.com.au/index02.php?id=11
After we keep them with a mother cow for about a week, most of our bobby calves are adopted and raised by an adoptive mother cow.
Often we raise calves ourselves to grow to about a year for meat that is sold to customers who appreciate meat from a naturally raised, happy animal, as we in our family are vegetarians.
"happy animal?! Give me a break ... Vegetarians in the meat business .... yeah, no cognitive dissonance there!
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K2 K2 ACT Posts: 7
43 8 Sep 2016
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K2 K2 ACT Posts: 7
44 8 Sep 2016
robert99 said:
"given that a future where no-one consumes dairy is probably a long way off" So that makes it ok then to carry on as now. I think supporters of slavery said the same thing, and womens rights and colonists etc (australia eg?) etc
"better welfare for dairy cows and calves" - still missing the fundamental point of dairy farming - I get the same bs every day where I live.
I'm waiting for the arguement that if no one ate dairy they'd be no cows - "and you say you are for animal's welfare!" Yep ...
No, I'm not saying it is OK to "carry on as now". I'm saying there are more humane practices that could be supported and even legislated f there is enough public support. We are probably much more likely to get more traction on animal welfare by getting people to understand that there are a range of practices out there - that they have a choice, other than giving up dairy completely. Behavioural science will tell you that if people think a problem is too big, most of them won't do anything about it. But if they can make one step to a more conscious choice, it often leads them on to the next. Someone who is just starting out as a vegetarian may not be ready to completely give up dairy but they might be willing to pay more for a product that carries far less cruelty with it. Yes I know that in the end it is still exploiting animals as a resource. I hear that. I won't argue with you on that as I can see you are passionate about it. But if enough people start to demand a change in practices then that is s step toward reduced suffering. Those people might then take the next step, which might be giving up dairy altogether. It is a long process  of change but if you take a "complete change or nothing" approach, you are likely to end up with nothing. All the things you mentioned, slavery, women's rights etc, took time and many steps. and Yes. I am for animal welfare. Just because my view isn't exactly the same as yours, doesn't mean you get to take a high ground and tell me that I'm not. Ridiculing and belittling people whose beliefs might differ slightly won't help the cause.
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robert99 robert99 Sweden Posts: 1360
45 9 Sep 2016
"Yes I know that in the end it is still exploiting animals as a resource." Yep!
I'm so friggin' tired of all the bs that farmers/farmers unions/dairy companies etc etc put out.
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Justin3 Justin3 QLD Posts: 1
46 7 Oct 2016
Hi Angie, my partner is still vegetarian and she consumes Barambah products.  They definitely still separate and kill the bobby calves but they do not do this until they are 4-6 months old.  I am not sure this is any better for the mother cow, and it definitely isn't any better for the calves.  In saying that the best 2 brands of dairy products would be Barambah and Elgaar
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robert99 robert99 Sweden Posts: 1360
47 7 Oct 2016
http://www.ethical.org.au/3.4.2/blog/elgaar-farms-responds-on-bobby-calves/
"Our male calves are reared as above, and those that are not kept as replacement bulls (we have several bulls with the herd) are sent to a local abattoir after a period of 2 to 4 months spent with their mother and the rest of the dairy herd. This is an unavoidable part of dairy farming..."

Avoid this unavoidable part of dairy farmimg by buying plant based dairy products instead!
see http://www.animalsaustralia.org/features/dairy-free-shopping-list.php
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Saga Saga NSW Posts: 1
48 25 Feb 2017
@Kaysiefantasie ... "Even then, many good people will make ethical choices but perhaps not extreme ones. This is still preferred and should be encouraged" ...

I very much like your post and I am one of those people who won't make it all the way to vegansism although I will make ethical choices as often as I can and I don't feel I should be punished or have someone else's point of view or lifestyle forced upon me ... the more someone tries the more I will resist and that is in all aspects of life and would that be fair to say for vegans?  If I try to push my point of view, lifestyle on them they will resist.

As the saying goes "you can lead a horse to wate but you can't make it drink" ... I'll add my own twist "leave the horse there and it will make its own choice, force it and it will simply walk away and never consider your choice again".
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Rachael12 Rachael12 VIC Posts: 1
49 28 May 2017
Wunghnu- how now happy cow milk
It is the first ethical dairy with no bobby calfs!

Link below
http://hownowdairy.com.au/about/





COWS & THEIR CALVES LIVING TOGETHER –
‘HAPPY COW’ MILK

How Now Milk is about being able to enjoy drinking milk, without the guilt.

Our mission at How Now Dairy is to rid the world of “Bobby Calves” – the 5 day old calves that are essentially a by-product in the commercial world of Dairy Farming. With very few exceptions the calves are separated from their mothers within a day or two. Some are kept on the dairy farm to become the next generation of milkers. Most of the rest of the calves (roughly half a million each year) are taken to abattoirs. This is just the ways things are mainly done today as dairy farmers struggle against large dairy companies and the pressures from the large retail outlets (you know, the unsustainable $1 a litre milk!). We empathize with the pressures placed on current dairy farmers but we also believe things can be done differently.

At How Now, we do things differently…. We raise ALL our calves and will continue to do so. But here’s the big thing – they stay with their mums from the moment they’re born – NO SEPARATION. Often they even come on into the dairy with Mum for a look around while she gets milked. Our attitude is, we are sharing the milk. There’s plenty to go round.

But before I continue with what we are doing, let’s go back to the beginning…. To tell you our story about ‘Happy Cow’ milk or ethical, kind, cow-centred milk¬ we need to talk about milk production generally.

Producing milk is fairly straightforward: a cow has a calf and then produces milk. This milk is then diverted via the milking process and ends up in our fridges.

That is the simple version. There is a lot more to producing milk than this – the hard work of dairy farmers milking day and night; the need to ensure quality feed and grazing to make the cows happy and healthy; the milk production process including milk tankers traversing the countryside to collect milk from the diary farm vats and deliver it to the milk production factories for processing, packaging and distribution. There are many people working hard to get that litre of milk to the retails stores and supermarkets.

Now Dairy and Dairy farming is a lot more complex and many changes to the industry also shape industry practices, such as the decline in family farms and the rise of large-scale corporate dairies more aligned to “factory farming”, the closure of small-scale dairy processors and the growth of mega-processors, the ultra-competitive environment that leads to various ‘efficiency’ techniques such as the use of pesticides and fertilizers on crops for feed, hormones and drugs used on the cows, and the additives placed into dairy products. We are not part of this and want to provide an alternative to this faster, larger, mega and ultra mantra.

At How Now we milk our herd, pasteurize the milk and bottle it all right there on the farm. It’s the ultimate in paddock to plate! No food miles here.

Our approach is focused on an ethical cow-centred approach that is more humane. Being cow-centred means we are focused on starting our thoughts with the cow and then working on ways that we can achieve our objective (milk) that does the least harm by taking into account the ways to keep cows happy. Taking away their calves is not one of these ways. We are told that (very occasionally) cows abandon calves (we are yet to see it), and naturally sometimes calves are too sick to survive. But that doesn’t mean we have to remove every calf so we can get as much milk as possible from the calf and not be over-burdened with calf rearing. So we don’t remove them. But that is just the start and we can now talk about our HAPPY approach.

H – humane, applied ethics by being cow-centred. Calves stay with their mothers 24/7.
A – (artisanal) additive free production and processing with none of the hormones and other additives commonly used.
P – provenance of products with a closed loop process. Paddock-product-plate. No interventions.
P – production of milk and dairy products right next door to the dairy shed.
Y – yummy. Yes it is not as technical as the others but its true. More natural, more tasty.

Our cream is done the same way, we separate cowside (big companies just can’t get within a bull’s roar of this), then this amazing cream – cream like you have never tasted before – and the remaining skim milk go off to follow the same path as our luscious full cream milk. We’re not messing about and trying to be more clever, we’re just keeping it super simple and getting our milk to you almost as fresh as the suckling calf gets it.

Our cows are located on an amazing, 370 acre farm near Shepparton. It has trees in every paddock, with a creek running along the back of the property. We have a dairy and just nearby a cheese factory.

We are small, family owned and fiercely independent. But our dreams are big (massive in fact) and with enough people coming on the journey with us and demanding Kind Milk we think we’re onto something that’s going to change dairying around the world. We hope you will join us….
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robert99 robert99 Sweden Posts: 1360
50 29 May 2017
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