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Is veal still produced in Australia?

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Velouria Velouria VIC Posts: 107
1 3 Jan 2014
Excuse my ignorance folks, but do we produce veal on our shores?  

When doing a quick google search I found it hard to get a clear answer.

Thanks for any responses beforehand.
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Veggie Veronica Veggie Veronica NSW Posts: 108
2 3 Jan 2014
Yep, we still dosad. Veal is the fate for many bobby calves, the leftovers of the dairy industry, each year in Australia. Fortunately, veal crates are not used in Australia.
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ox.kylie.xo ox.kylie.xo QLD Posts: 861
3 3 Jan 2014
your right, you'll never know if you never ask... right?

I found more on the subject:

This one is from unleashed forum back in 2011: http://www.unleashed.org.au/community/forum/topic.php?t=5466

This ones an actual farms website:
http://www.mla.com.au/Cattle-sheep-and-goat-industries/Industry-overview/Cattle

Production details (obtained from MLA website)
•Australia produced around 2.2 million tonnes of beef and veal in 2012-13 (**).
•2.6 million grain fed cattle were marketed in 2012-13 (33% of all adult cattle slaughtered).
•The value of Australian cattle and calf production (including live export) is approximately $7.4 billion (ABARE 2012-13).
•Cattle contributed 16% of the total farm value of $47.3 billion in 2011-12.
•The direct contribution of beef and live cattle to gross domestic product is approximately 1%.
•Queensland is the biggest producer of beef and veal.
•Australia has 3% of the world cattle inventory and is the world's seventh largest beef producer.
•Australia produces 4% of the world's beef supply and is the third largest beef exporter

also:

The Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals says 700,000 male calves are produced as a by product of Australia's dairy industry every year.

In most instances the calves, which are of little or no value to dairy farmers, are destroyed after seven days.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-16/butcher-says-demand-for-veal-is-low/5026256
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Velouria Velouria VIC Posts: 107
4 5 Jan 2014
Thanks guys, saddened by this fact, it's one thing to eat meat, how anyone can eat a baby anything is beyond me.  Have shared this fact on fb in the hope to make people aware, even though it may not be such a popular meat for consumers today I think they still need to be informed just in case.

I believe perhaps to encourage and inform people to consider not to eat certain meats to begin with for ethical reasons because of the conditions they have to endure such as pigs, their age, such as lambs and calves could be a start one can only hope.  I know I wasn't entirely sure what veal was way back when until I did my own research.
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ox.kylie.xo ox.kylie.xo QLD Posts: 861
5 5 Jan 2014
Glad to help, knowledge is power happy and power can change the world for the better! (or for worse in some horrible cases)
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OinkMoo OinkMoo NSW Posts: 1340
6 5 Jan 2014
Does anyone know how many (if any) veal farms are in production in Australia? When I've been to the bobby calf sales and rescued calves the farmers always told me that regardless if the calf is a male or female they either kill them after birth on the farm or send them to auction where the man from the Slaughterhouse buys them, no one has ever mentioned calves been sold to veal farms >.<
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ox.kylie.xo ox.kylie.xo QLD Posts: 861
7 5 Jan 2014
Well firstly to answer your question to if veal farms are in production here in Australia... Yes. (I provided some detailed facts in one of my posts above if you care to read it, it states that Australia is one of the top producers of cattle and calves and I also just came across this too “Millions of calves around the world are reared and killed annually to provide veal for local and international markets. Australia, Brazil, China, the EU, New Zealand, and North America are the largest producers” at http://www.chai.org.il/en/compassion/food_factory_veal.htm).
Bobby calves are sold to: farmers, slaughter houses, agents that are employed as free lance buyers for clients which are generally slaughter houses.

Farmer sometimes buy them to be reared for veal (referred to as single meat buyers) and about one quarter of the heifers will become replacements for adult milk-producing cows and are sold back to a dairy farmer once full grown... some are also sold to overseas dairy farmers.

Products processed from bobby calves are not just veal, but also hides for leather and by products for the pharmaceutical industry.

Next to all bull calves (males) and around and around three quarters of their heifer calves (females) are slaughtered... they kill all doesn’t matter what the sex is but they have to be at least 5 days old before sold or killed, (I figure you already know that the only reason why farmers bread cows is for the females to continue producing milk, because if they don’t have babies they stop producing after a period of time... and also to repopulate there herd of cows for continuous meat production too.)

Also I just typed ‘bobby calf farm factories in Australia’ into google and so many links popped up...lol, what on earth were you typing in that you couldn't find anything...?

Don’t take this wrong but how did you think the abattoirs got the calves to process veal if not by purchasing them at auctions? Or did you think that the end product (veal) was shipped here from overseas?

Anyways here are some of the links to help you out:
Link that is above (the mla one and this one below which is the same company)

http://www.mla.com.au/general/glossary

also I came across this little fact pdf thought might interest you:

http://www.cattlefacts.com.au/PDFfiles/Feedback_Final_Top25_OctO5_V4.pdf

http://www.dairyaustralia.com.au/Animals-feed-and-environment/Animal-welfare/Calf-welfare/Managing-bobby-calf-welfare/Bobby-Calf-Welfare.aspx

http://www.dairyaustralia.com.au/Animals-feed-and-environment/Animal-welfare/Calf-welfare/Managing-bobby-calf-welfare.aspx   (this one looks like the same link as the one directly above though it isn’t... just in case you’re like why would she put the same link twice)

http://kb.rspca.org.au/What-happens-to-bobby-calves_87.html
http://www.flockandherd.net.au/cattle/reader/bobby%20calf%20welfare.html

Also have you tried searching Australia abattoirs that produces veal in Australia, when I did it came up with this:

http://www.vicsmeat.com.au/products/sig_series_veal.html (proof of veal product in Australia – Here is a website for VIC)

http://cattleproducer.wordpress.com/category/australian-abattoirs/ (for NT)

http://www.ralphsmeatcompany.com.au/products.htm (for VIC)
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OinkMoo OinkMoo NSW Posts: 1340
8 5 Jan 2014
ox.kylie.xo said:
Well firstly to answer your question to if veal farms are in production here in Australia... Yes. (I provided some detailed facts in one of my posts above if you care to read it
Thankyou for the statistics Kylie happy but my Question was How many Veal farms are currently in operation/production in Australia.


ox.kylie.xo said:
Products processed from bobby calves are not just veal, but also hides for leather and by products for the pharmaceutical industry.
Bobby Calves are also slaughtered for Blood and Bone Fertilizer and Pet Food.

ox.kylie.xo said:
Also I just typed ‘bobby calf farm factories in Australia’ into google and so many links popped up...lol, what on earth were you typing in that you couldn't find anything...?
I wanted to know how many Veal farms where in operation/production in Australia, i know that there would be farms but i was interested in finding the Number of farms in production happy but thankyou for the links.

ox.kylie.xo said:
Don’t take this wrong but how did you think the abattoirs got the calves to process veal if not by purchasing them at auctions? Or did you think that the end product (veal) was shipped here from overseas?
Growing up in a Beef, Dairy and Sheep farming family and area i can tell you that the vast Majority of the dairy farmers have contracts with the local Meatworks (Slaughterhouse) and send the Bobby Calves directly to the slaughterhouse to be killed and processed. The smaller farmers send the calves to auction and then the calves are either bought by the contacted Meatworker or the male calves are bought by individual farmers and are grown out and slaughtered as either Weaners, Yearlings or Bullocks.
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ox.kylie.xo ox.kylie.xo QLD Posts: 861
9 5 Jan 2014
OinkMoo said:
ox.kylie.xo said:
Well firstly to answer your question to if veal farms are in production here in Australia... Yes. (I provided some detailed facts in one of my posts above if you care to read it
Thankyou for the statistics Kylie happy but my Question was How many Veal farms are currently in operation/production in Australia.

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I didn't mean it sarcastically!!!!!!!!! i started with firstly because there were many points of discussion i wished to speak of. I am aware that you were asking how for the quantity though you also asked the stated 'if any' and as i did not know the exact amount of veal farms i did not answer that half of the question... the reason i even replied to you was to help... not to be rude... so i would appreciate the same courtesy.

ox.kylie.xo said:
Products processed from bobby calves are not just veal, but also hides for leather and by products for the pharmaceutical industry.
Bobby Calves are also slaughtered for Blood and Bone Fertilizer and Pet Food.

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Thanks for info happy

ox.kylie.xo said:
Also I just typed ‘bobby calf farm factories in Australia’ into google and so many links popped up...lol, what on earth were you typing in that you couldn't find anything...?
I wanted to know how many Veal farms where in operation/production in Australia, i know that there would be farms but i was interested in finding the Number of farms in production happy but thankyou for the links.

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Well if you knew that there would be farms why would you add the 'if any'... i was just trying to help you out with your queries - well the parts i did know any ways.

ox.kylie.xo said:
Don’t take this wrong but how did you think the abattoirs got the calves to process veal if not by purchasing them at auctions? Or did you think that the end product (veal) was shipped here from overseas?
Growing up in a Beef, Dairy and Sheep farming family and area i can tell you that the vast Majority of the dairy farmers have contracts with the local Meatworks (Slaughterhouse) and send the Bobby Calves directly to the slaughterhouse to be killed and processed. The smaller farmers send the calves to auction and then the calves are either bought by the contacted Meatworker or the male calves are bought by individual farmers and are grown out and slaughtered as either Weaners, Yearlings or Bullocks.
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I am aware that they also have contracts (and FYI your post says "no one has ever mentioned calves been sold to veal farms") you specifically asked about the purchasing of calves from veal Farmers - so i provided those details. (even provide helpful links to help your search for answers as well as provided other details i though you may not know and may like to educate your self on
Just because you come from that back ground doesn't mean every one you meet anywhere automatically knows that... though i figure by the way you have wrote your reply you meant it as"well i would know more then you" bal bla...

Individual farmers don't just buy the males - they purchase more female then anything as they rear them for dairy farmers, not to mention their own supply of veal, some are sold to over seas for their dairy farms

Also like i stated above - i meant no rudeness buy what i had said... the reason i asked was to find out if what you had thought, because according to your first post it seemed quite clear that you had no or little information on the topic due to 'if any' and 'no one ever told you about bobby's calf sales to veal farmers' how do you think they are even 'veal farmers if they cant buy any so it is obvious they do purchase them...but hey i was just trying to be helpful and once again you practically spit in my face...

Though reading it now... it would appear that you intentionally wrote it in hope i would reply (helping) in order for you to be rude to me... because there is no way that you could have possibly taken me the wrong way... once again just a cyber attack!

Also suggestion: have you tried searching the online directories you might have more luck finding out how many.
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OinkMoo OinkMoo NSW Posts: 1340
10 5 Jan 2014
I never said you where being sarcastic? I said thank you for the beef and veal statistics you shared as it was informative. What I meant by 'if any' was if there was any large scale farms like in American that had thousands of calves chained up In little shelters that are commercial farms as I have never herd of any in Australia before, I've only herd of small scale farmers purchasing male calfs to grow out for beef production not veal production in either grass paddocks or in Feedlots.


I never said that everyone I meet is right, I was just mentioning it as I have spoken to a lot of dairy farmers over the years and no one ever mentioned sending calves to veal farms and some even said they have never herd of veal farms, so that why if was curious to see if there was any large scale veal farms in Australia.

I never said you where rude with your post Kylie? Nor did I be rude to you, could you please tell me where I was rude to you?
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