New member & wondering about B12

While I'm in the business of "pushing pills", I'll advise you to take a chill pill.

What about spirulina for vb12?

I said that to my dad once.

Then proceeded to buy them for him for Fathers' day:

http://www.priceline.com.au/weight-and-vitamins/vitamins-and-supplements/sleep-and-de-stress/chill-pill-60.0-tablets?xid=sem-Product%20Feed-{keyword}

Ummmm I think the deal with that is that Spirulina (either in its preparation, farming or packaging processes) has been tested for B12. But these were decided to be B12 "analogues".

Essentially what that means is that is has a molecule that fits the receptor, but is not active. Thus the idea is that it fills these receptors (analogy), thus any presently active B12 is less readily available for assimilation or what ever.

It is like a "dead" cobalamin molecule (B12),,, I guess likening it to the food damage a microwave causes to proteins and such. Where by the body cannot utilize these structures anymore or recognize them for use. Perhaps.

*shrugs*
Correct me if wrong + _ +

Go by your feels I guess.  Although some health kicks don't feel good instantly.
Infact they make you feel worse, because when you have a boost in your systems alertness and wellbeing... the first thing you notice is how shitty you actually are.

Withdrawal from your body being in defensive mode, generating all these counter toxins and such. Going into a pro-active state perhaps?

Hi Kiera,

My answer is 'So good' products. They all contain 50% of dietary intake per serve. Just check out the website for details.

No more need for vegans to stress about not getting calcium, B12, folate etc etc.

Hope that helps.
Nick

Just wanted to dispel myth about microwaves and killing proteins... Microwave denatures/ unravels proteins the same way cooking by conduction with a direct heat source and indeed the same way that enzymes and acids do in the stomach.

Proteins MUST be broken down into amino acids in order for them to be synthesised into other useful molecules.

Not sure about the b12 analogue though....if it has the same chemical formula AND STRUCTURE, that's what would make it B12.

Cheers,
Nick

Hi Kiera,

I definitely recommend supplementation. I gave up my B12 supps and relied on Spirulina and Nutritional Yeast for a long time and slowly felt myself going a little insane. It wasn't till I started taking my B12 again (and Zinc which I also stopped taking) that I started feeling back to normal again.

*sigh*... thanks for taking the time to read...

yes... most products of large companies (sanitarium) are fortified... just for the same reason iodine was decided by health authorities to be added to salt... without any express consultation with the public, because it was decided in our best interest.

you say there is 50% RDI B12 in fortified 'so good' products?

yeah well, where do they get it from... they get it from MALT...

so why not just buy a 1kg tub of Saunders Malt Extract, yourself???? then you can add it to your smoothies and what ever. ugh... people.

SIGH*

I'm not against supplementation, I'm against CYANO- Cobalamin, which is still being used to constitute SOME "B12" tablets... just look out for it.. is all i'm saying, unless you're dying for another exposure to Cyanide, Arsenic or what ever else toxic trace elements you feel the great need to collect in your bodies. for the sake of being mainstream consumers.

http://www.veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?317-B12-and-B12-analogues-in-multivitamins-animal-foods-and-spirulina

You're right, there is absolutely no difference between boiling food in water, heating it with steam, or putting it into a box where waves of energy cause the molecules to frictively generate heat. No difference at all.... and the shape of protein is changed similarly to how very similar these methods are to one another.

There is no difference at all. They are precisely the same methods of cooking.
Thus the results will be, you guessed it... Precisely the same

What could be different between a flame over water and a 2000W appliance. Electricity is essentially just really excited water YAAYY!!!